Why 10 are being punished instead of 1?

so the current staus is: game simulation runs at slowest player's cpu speed.

you propose: game simulation runs at [insert speed] here, dropping all too slow cpus behind.

i can feel with you.
but: this is engine thing i guess.
and how do you decide at what real speed the game runs?

@ArchShaman I'm just saying it's hard to kick someone for lagging, it eats players time. This should be auto regulated by the game itself, and current afk/lag giveaway doesn't work well for this case.

This is how I see solution to this kind problem:

- something monitors player's simulation speed

- if it drops below 0.9 for more than 5 seconds(we allow short lags) player gets a message across his screen:
"Warning! It seems your PC is running slow and you can'y play this game"
with a countdown of 60 seconds, game pause should pause counter too

- if problem was not solved for this time he get automatically resigns from this game
- his units are being transferred to the most exp. player, nobody lags anymore, all are happy, except the lagger(still better than making 10 players suffer).

As a result we get:
- fair problem solution, we punish laggers and help players with good PCs, meanwhile we give laggers time to fix their PC and warn them about the problem
- we save player's time from doing unnecessary !votekick
- game runs much smoother and new players won't be crying "wtf is going on, I have top PC and this game reminds me about chess, I'm leaving away"

@ArchShaman
>> Remember: It will be highly frustrating for those with a false positive (eg: was a temporary spike in useage) to be forced to spectate. Is this worth the frustration it may cause for all people?

my proposed solution can handle this.
we give player a time to solve his temporary lag spike problem, we even give him a chance to pause a game if community wants to wait for him to solve his problem(in cases when it takes more than 60 seconds).

Now it's frustrating for everyone when someone turns their game into chess...

Also note: all youd have to do is slow down the game by two for longer than 5 seconds and the game ends.

quote: - game runs much smoother and new players won't be crying "wtf is going on, I have top PC and this game reminds me about chess, I'm leaving away"

Also note the same could be applied to a newbie with a lower end pc that barely lags the game.

"WHAT THE FUCK!? why did I just resign? Fuck this game."

Its more common from my experience to see people playing this game on laptops and low-mid pcs. Would it really be fair to the community to drive away more potential new blood just because it lags a little in big team games?

Yes, there are some people that drive it to 0.5 in 60 seconds. They are a minority. Why punish all the low to mid end pc users just so you can get a lag free big team game? If anything just make the yes and no votes be mapped to a key. Like Numpad 9 and 6.

I think there should be average players speed calculated, then every player whose speed is lower than average-0.2 (or -0.15) for 5-10 seconds should be marked as lagger.

Using lagger/afk ''tag'' will allow player to come back to game when eitehr his CPU will get normal again, or average game speed falls so low, that he won't slow the game himself so much, thus won't be harmful anymore.

Calculatin average game speed will help us avoiding situations when on huge 2hours 21412533metal game no1 can keep up, and every1 gets auto-lagged/specced/whatever. Average dissallows this, as it has to be calculatd from players speed, and wil never fall so low to mark every player as lagger ^^.

Also, player who is marked as lagger/afk should be excluded from av speed calculations (which should be obvious).

quote: Now it's frustrating for everyone when someone turns their game into chess...

Not really. I'm fine with ZK at 0.9x speed. In fact I think it's worth discussing whether "NEWBIES only" rooms should run at 0.9x speed by default.

quote: Calculatin average game speed will help us avoiding situations when on huge 2hours 21412533metal game no1 can keep up

We could also lower maximum player numbers and track maps that cause such games to ban them from "Teams: All welcome!". For me "All welcome!" includes people without latest high tech hardware.

quote: 1.) The only way to not impact game speed is via spectating. 2.) The only way to get an active player to spectate is via resign. 3.) Resignation is final. 4.) If 3 was not final, it would lead to exploitation of the code to get a sort of map hack. 5.) 5-10 seconds isnt a long time to count for spikes. What if a spike lasted for 11 seconds? Its a real possibility that needs to be taken into account for. I again suggest a longer duration like 45-60 seconds.

I see an opportunity to bring team-specs back. And make team-spectating not final. Viola - fixed.

Or even simpler. Make ppl who lagged/afked not affect game speed. They are lagging anyway, what is the point of waiting for them? Even if they magane to catch up, they will start lagging shortly after.

Good idea, minimal system requirements for every single map. I'll leave the task to you sfireman. Still, you can't enforce them on the "All welcome!" room unless you rename it.

^ That's either for icy run or nowhere near accurate. Check out http://zero-k.info/Forum/Thread/5240