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This project aims to improve the general quality of the maps played for ZK and adjusting other spring maps so that they will fit Zero-K gameplay. However these are meant to enchance aesthetics of the maps and include bugfixes while possibly retaining the gameplay values intended for that map.

The priority will be given to first to intended for the initial Steam map pool. Then to these wich are most pupular within the players and then these put on the reserve that used to be pupular or seem to have interesting desgin.
But regardless a low hanging fruit overrides all these priority rules above so if the map is liked and has good design while only lacking a couple of things then it will be properly polished.

The scope of the project varies as listed:
Small adjustions - minor changes wich are limited, but not restricted to: changing a metal map, replacing and repositioning map features, removing/fixing the widgets, adding the specular map and more.
Minor remake - change of multiple minor parameters or major features wich include: height map, texture map, slightly changing the design of the map.
Major remake - remaking the map from the scratch.

In the works:
-List making
-Red Comet v2


Progress made
-none yet :)

I would like to invite mapmakers to help work on this project.
Also tell me in the posts below, wich map would you like to see renovated.

Just a reminder: this is a huge WIP list and is not even ready with pointers and reasoning as i apperently have problems translating some of the map files.
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Maps currently marked for the renewal (note that at this moment i am just mostly taken featured maps without any look at SD7 files)

Biggest Priority considering Shadowfurys' initial Steam map rotation https://github.com/ZeroK-RTS/Zero-K-Infrastructure/wiki/Initial-map-pool-proposal

Altair_Crossing_v3 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/23330 - specular, texture? adjust SSMF overall? need feedback!!!
Eye_Of_Horus_v2 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7397 - specular, normals? need feedback, features? need feedback (note: I will propably just lobotomise forbs' Evo version of it)
TitanDuel http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7904 - speculars, normals? need feedback, grass? need feedback (i dont think i will touch this one because of absence of Sir Artturi)
Intersection_v3 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/25393 - speculars
Red Comet http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7696 -splats, specular map, remake of skybox, addition of dust shader widget
Cooper Hill http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7111 - remake (possibly a hybrid between 1944 remake and orginal)
Barren http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7180 - specular (i dont think i will touch this one because of absence of ralhpie)
Comet Catcher Redux v2 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/23059 - removal of fake craters

Lesser Concern

DunePatrol_wip_v03 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/23549 -
AlienDesert http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7128 -
Avalanche-v2 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7172 -
Adamantine_Mountian-V1 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7124 - texture, speculars, splats, replace features, fix the sun (and secretly praise it)
Bandit_Plains_v1/Trojan_Hills_v02 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/11239 and http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/8515 - both need retexturing and propably need to be more distinctive with each other, usuall SSMF stuff
wanderlust_V01 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/20018 -
Badlands http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7177 -
DesertCliffsV1 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/8936 - texture
DeadLands http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7297 -
Calayo2 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/28854 - add lava shader
TartarusV7 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7865 - add lava shader, make middle alike lava a real one, adjust metal values? need feedback

Least Concern (these propably wont be touched as they are really good quality)

Icy_Shell_v01 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/22727 - need feedback
Quicksilver 1.1 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/29600 -
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For reference Sake maps that what i have seen are being played in ZK but arent marked for renoval (at least not yet) or are just not sorted yet to be added to the list:
Charlie in the Hills http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/30371 - remove houses, paths and fields (this brown stuff on the map), replace S44 features with non glowing with F4
FolsomDamDeluxeV4 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/18434
Titan-v2 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7902
Terra http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7877
Nuclear_Winter_v1 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7994
Stronghold_beta http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/31483
Tundra http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7919
FrozenFortress_v2 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/16258
Throne v1 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/8162
ScorpioBattleground http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7739
Green Comet Basic http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7468
Hotlips_Redux_V2 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/25293
Tumult http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7918
Tropical-v2 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/22940
Grts_RiverMouth_004 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/21237 - (Smoths' map, wich propably means it is untouchable)
Delta Siege - but wich one? Need feedback on that one!!!
Tempest http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7874
Talus http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7857
The Cold Place Remake V3c http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/23670
Escarpment-v2 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7380
Ternion http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7876
Rage_v1 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/18587
Tangerine http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7858
DigSite http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7337
Fields_Of_Isis http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7404
Ganymede v1 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/8776
FataMorganaV2 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/11198
ThreeReefs16 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/13634
DesertSiege_v2b http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7323
Valles_Marineris_v2 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7931
IncultaV2 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7514
Victoria Crater v2.1 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/24852
Koom Gorge v1 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/24852
Verdant v4 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7936
Mountain Pass V4 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/20369
Trefoil_v2 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/23020
Mercury_v1 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/8022
SandCastles2 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/21991
Industrial Revolution v1 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/21269
Knockout_v2 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/16883
Dune http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/8097
Lost_v2 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/10890
EE-RiverGlade-v02 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7370
HighGroundsDeltaV1 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/8297
Cull http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7296
Kappa_Basin_Flooded_ZK-v07 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/22328
BellicoseIslands_ZK-v01 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/22427
Colorado_v1 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/22858
KochCanyon-v02 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7537
Sacrifice_v1 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/21397
Altored_Arctic http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7133
cold_snap_v1 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/25520
ContestedCanyon http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7260
MountDustmoreV3 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7618
Calamity_V1 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/25946
Iced Coffee v4.3 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/30892
Grts_Messa_008 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/17929 - another Smoth's map
Iceland_v1 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/26890
Harbinger 2 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/27729
Downs_of_Destruction_Fix http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/27927
Melt_V2 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/28745
Tau10 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7864
Green River Confluence v10 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/31658
DesertTriad/Deserted Third v4 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7325 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/31672
Absolution 2 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/31508
Tabula-v6.1 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/34970
Aum_1.1 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/34893
AquariusCrossing http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/21987

For reference sake maps that already meet the standarts:
OnyxCauldron1.6 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/28437
Ravaged_v2 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/18482
Violence_3.2 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/30611
SapphireShores_V2.1 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/27783
Gehenna Rising v2 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/20186

Maps that are WIP:
Obsidian_0.1_Beta http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/31076 - TheYak
Coagulation Marsh 0.6 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/36209 - Anarchid
Fissure_wip http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/20234 - Anarchid
Remake of Supreme Battle Field Small - Smoth at some point? (according to spring forums)
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Maps that will be done/fixed in the feature once the first 2 lists are compleate (propably will take a long time so abandon all hope). If I hear enough pleas I will bump it into one of the above lists.

Forgotten Crossing http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/12665 - hard to distinguish units from texture?, need feedback
White Rabbit http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/31026 - need feedback
The Oasis http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7896 - indestructable cacti, need feedback
Hundred Isles Remake http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7507 - units getting stuck on the islands, undestroyable trees, is it worth remaking?
Tombstone Desert http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7905 - no specular map, mex values standarised
Desert Needle Small http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/30318 - texture?
indonesia_v4 http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/23554 - edgy coastline that messes up with pathing
Island Paradise http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/7527 - texture
Rapids http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/8437 - edgy hillsides
Archers Valley http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/25565 - texture
Blend Warland http://zero-k.info/Maps/Detail/18155 - texture
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10 years ago
charlie in the hills is already a remake, whats wrong with it? and what minor details would you want to change on white rabbit?
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Hmm i suppose i should add reasoning to every map :\
I updated the list and now it has issues written beside the links.
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You mostly forgot one important thing: SSMF. Not all maps have it, all maps should have it, not just Tombstone Desert. At the very least some detail textures to make the zoomed-in map look detailed. Most maps occupy also use a specular map, and some could use a normal map as well. There's the occasional map that could use a reflection map, but that's a pretty rare case comparatively.

Also, my list is on the wiki already. Most of it is just SSMF work, though Red Comet and Comet Catcher might need more (or we start with Comet Catcher v2 and remove the fake craters from the metal spots.
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The whole list is still WIP. I just wanted you to respond to whole thing or catch you in #ZK before i marked other maps for minor adjustments (note that there is only Tombstone there right now) because I honestly dont know much abaut SSMF so I didnt want to blindly guess wich ones need it or not.
I thought that your list was abaut already polished maps thus it was why you chose them.
CArankAdminShadowfury333 you are free to suggest wich ones need SSMF. That would be really appriciated.
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Open the map file (sd7). If you see mapinfo.lua and a set of images (usually png, generally labelled for what they do) it has SSMF. If not, then it doesn't.

Neither version of CCR has SSMF, but the new one has an overall better texture, apart from the fake craters. It's probably a better starting point.
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10 years ago
This looks like a good idea. Here are some more suggestions:
  • Sun: Many maps have their sun set incorrectly. It causes hard shadows or dark units.
  • Lava: Old lava maps would be improved with the lava shader.
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10 years ago
EErankAdminAnarchid plans to create a full remake of Fissure, FYI.
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quote:
EErankAdminAnarchid plans to create a full remake of Fissure, FYI.

Somewhere along these lines though:
-- finish Claw
-- make a whole new Amph unit
-- make something that will blast ZKL out of the airwaves
-- ???
-- remake Fissure to be fully ship compatible and less silly.

Point being: Don't hold your breath. You'll suffocate.
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10 years ago
Orfelius: Anarchid mentioned you had issues with decompilation. Here's the process:

1. Unpack the .sd7 of the map to a folder
2. In SpringMapEdit, Go to Map->Import Spring SM2 Map
3. Select the .smf file of the map, inside the newly unpacked folder

It will load the map, and then you can edit in SME or save off the various SMF components (Texture, Metal, Vegetation, Height, Type) as images. If you save off Height, make sure it is 16-bit PNG.
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What standard are these being remade to? I think if maps like DSD-D V3 were the visual standard ZK would look pretty good.
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Skasi
ZK would also play extremely porcy and FPS jump to be extremely high due to integer underflow (if that even is a thing).
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10 years ago
Onyx Cauldron, Ravaged, Obsidian, and Sapphire Shores are all very nice looking maps. DSD-D v3 looks pretty good, but I don't think it uses SSMF (which should generally be in every map, even if just for detail textures, though most maps could make use of specular highlights and normal maps).
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10 years ago
Dsd-3 has splats and speculars at the very least, i think. Very few maps use normals.
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10 years ago
It does? Awesome, I hadn't gone and un-7zed it, so I wasn't sure.

Yeah, normals are a bit tricky to know when to use them. Intersection could definitely use them in the metallic bits for grooves, and possibly also to make the roads and sidewalks slightly more distinct from each other.
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DeltaSiegeDry_Deluxe_V3 doesnt have splats, speculars, but it does have detailtexture map giving this sandy look. It uses smd. Its decent quality though.

SapphireShores_V2.1 has splat and speculars, uses smd instead of mapinfo.lua. Not a good candidate. Nice map.

Obsidian_0.1_Beta has splat and speculars, the newest version also have grass and trees but it uses smd(why is @theMooseLoose using smd on every single map of his?) and doesnt have SSMF. Its supposedly still WIP though. Quite eye pleaseing (at least the newest version).

You mentioned Conquest_of_Paradise_v1 in our conversation CArankAdminShadowfury333. Well it does have speculars and nothing else. It also uses smd. It is ok map.

OnyxCauldron1.6 has speculars, splat, nicely done water but uses smd and has no grass nor features. However it is a beutiful map asthetics wise but technically wise it doesnt meet all the expectacions but seems decent enough to not need any corrections.

And we get to final mentioned map wich is Ravagedv2. This map is very nicely done and really eye pleasing (more than its orginal version even imo). It has almost everything: detailtexture, speculars, grass, splat, nicely done water, features you name it. The only 2 things that it lacks is normal map (but it wouldnt really benefit from normal map) and mapinfo.lua.
I say that is a model we should be striving for with every map we re/make.

I am also considering to narrow the scope of the project rather majorly due to fact that it looks like almost every single featured map should be upgraded in one way or another. Maby with some exceptions such as Onyx Claudron and Ravaged.
I would narrow it only to maps with very good design such as Red Comet, Comet Catcher, Cooper Hill, Tartarus etc. I would like to hear opinions upon that fact and also proposals wich maps exacly has best designs in your opinion.

Edit: Also isn't it ironic that a Stacraft map is a standart map for our project?
Edit2: Edited the post so that it wont use silly "SSMF" word as it is not really explicit.
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has splat and speculars, no SSMF

This is a contradiction. SSMF more or less constitutes use of any of the following maps - splat, specular, normal, emission, or grass.

(and parallax, but that doesn't really work)

quote:
Edit: Also isn't it ironic that a Stacraft map is a standart map for our project?

It is not. Starcraft may have downsides, but lack of aesthetic perfection is not amongst them.
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