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quote: Why is this map designed as basically a bot-only map?

The idea was that the map has a lot of large flat areas where veh shines and which should counteract the lack of ramps.

I dislike adding more ramps for bots because it dilutes boundaries. Possibly I'd swap the ramp pathability of the middle-height ground (make both side ramps veh pathable but the middle one bot only).

Map would be much better imo if the side hills only had 2 metal spots, and the middle 3. Currently "grab the hill and win" is generally how this map goes.

Well yes. What usually happens is that one of the hills belongs to one player and the other gets hotly contested, and that decides the game.

Mexes are trivial to change. Get some other pros to voice their opinion and it can be done.

I think Badlands was meant to be an example of a map which has soft barriers for bots and is (at least theoretically, I'm not convinced) playable for bots against spiders.

Vittra and Barren similar examples of the same, although I think I've never seen spider on Vittra and very rarely if ever on Barren.

Lauri used to play tanks on Wanderlust, I still don't understand how that ever worked.

As a perhaps more pertinent example, bots are played considerably more often on Fairyland despite all ramps being veh-pathable. (However a significant fraction of the map is sloped to some degree and certain parts are a bit narrow for vehicles.)

In my mind the more immediate problem is that it's not obvious that several areas on this map are not veh-pathable unless one actually checks a veh pathing map.

(Note to self: ability to see pathing map for bot/veh/etc in pregame would be a useful feature.)

+1 Sprung

Did you have any VBO/PBO out of memory errors? I used to get these some time ago with similar artifacts(wrong colors, no textures, no models).

It used to be in MM, but got taken out because its bad. Games on it are always a slog due to how safe most of the metal is. Porcing hills is too easy and creates nice porcfests.